Marc & Ben on the Collapse of Traditional Media - Podcasts, Politics & the New Media Playbook

He's not trained in this business at all. He doesn't follow any of the protocol that you're used to. He's just

so uncomfortably unusual. What he was trained on was he was trained in reality television. I have not been on reality TV. My understanding

is if you train in reality TV, like your mission is to create drama. Your mission is to be as interesting as possible and

as controversial as possible. Right. The other thing he was trained in was professional wrestling. Both reality TV and professional wrestling grew up

together in this sort of new alternate media landscape. Pseudo real entertainment or maybe the most real thing. friend Rick Rubin says