What You Were NEVER Taught About Lincoln | Doris Kearns Goodwin

Drive for success is important for any leader or anybody to be successful. The question is when does it become

something more than the ambition for your own rise? Doris Karns Goodwin is one of our greatest living biographers. I'm

grateful to her for the influence she's had on my work over the years. So, I was so excited to have her on the podcast

and we went much deeper into stoicism than I would have thought. You're going to love this interview. How do you approach an epic life for an epic book?

They made themselves leaders rather than the fact that they were born with certain gifts. You knew one of the four people in